Dr. Francisco Gil-White
is interviewed by Hannity & Colmes (FOX-NEWS)
Controversial Professor Being
Fired for Views, Fox News Network, SHOW: FOX HANNITY & CO 9:21 PM EST,
February 17, 2005 Thursday, NEWS; Domestic, 1151 words, Sean Hannity,
BRIEF NOTE from Francisco
video is below, but first, a few words to place it in context.
After I was
fired from the University of Pennsylvania for no greater crime than
having documented certain facts, I was invited to talk about this on the
interview show which (I am told) has the highest ratings: Hannity & Colmes,
on FOX-NEWS. As it turned out, however, these top-rated interviewers
didn't want to talk about the reasons I was fired. Instead, they
wanted to talk about my views on 9-11.
This was strange.
As you will
read in greater detail
here, I was
fired from the University of Pennsylvania for publishing documentation
that refutes the NATO and mass media version of events in the civil wars in Yugoslavia,
and because I published documentation that the controlling core of the PLO, Al-Fatah, was
created by a leader of Adolf Hitler's Final Solution, and chartered to
continue the extermination of the Jewish people.
Not content with firing me, the University of Pennsylvania made it impossible for me to teach my
highly praised course Psychology of Ethnicity in the time that remained
in my contract. The reason? The university objects to the fact
that in this course I
document for my students how the entire IQ-testing literature was
created with frauds concocted by the leading propagandists of the
American eugenics movement, the point being to attack the working classes
as supposedly stupid, directing the attack most ferociously against blacks,
in recent times.
(This is the same eugenics movement that also spawned German Nazism.)
But about my views on 9-11 nobody at the University of Pennsylvania ever
complained. I doubt that most people even knew what my position was.
Certainly, nobody seemed to care.
And that makes perfect sense, because I am not a 9-11 scholar.
And yet the
show's hosts wanted to talk about...9-11.
Aside from this
curiosity, you will notice at the beginning that host Alan Colmes introduces the main
question the show intends to ask: "How far should academic freedom go?"
In other words, there isn't even the pretense here that the journalists
at FOX-NEWS ought to be defending freedom of
thought and expression. Rather, the focus is on whether academics such
as myself should be allowed to document facts and teach them at all. The rest of the interview is
certainly consistent with that thrust.
context of how I came to give this interview matters to our
interpretation of its abrupt end. After FOX-NEWS begged me to promise
that I would not appear with another news service before I appeared on
theirs, they told me that the interview would last a full half-hour.
They seemed excited. And indeed, FOX-NEWS gave my interview top-billing
as a "FOX NEWS EXCLUSIVE", and announced it in commercials for a good
while before the show aired. Consistent with this, as you will see, the
words "FOX NEWS EXCLUSIVE" appear almost throughout the interview, in
proud red, in the bottom half of the screen. And yet, after all that
pomp and circumstance, less than six minutes into the interview
I was unceremoniously yanked off the air in mid-sentence, and so quickly that
the camera didn't hear me say good-bye. You may judge
for yourself whether this had anything to do with the failure of Hannity
absurd efforts to talk about 9-11 and to defend the University of
video is below, followed by the transcript (I have corrected Fox's
spelling mistakes of people's names in the transcript, and a couple of
minor transcription errors.)
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SHOW: FOX HANNITY & CO 9:21 PM EST
February 17, 2005 Thursday
SECTION: NEWS; Domestic
LENGTH: 1151 words
Controversial Professor Being Fired for Views
BYLINE: Sean Hannity, Alan Colmes
GUESTS: Francisco Gil-White
COLMES: Welcome back to "Hannity & Colmes." I'm Alan Colmes reporting
from Dallas tonight.
Still to come, why did a California teacher tell one of his students to
get psychological treatment for his pro-American views? The student
speaks out tonight.
And later, a seventh grade teacher's anti-war assignment has outraged
some North Carolina parents. You'll meet one of them.
And first a controversial professor at the University of Pennsylvania
says 9/11 was an inside job. He also claims NATO framed Slobodan
Milosevic, and he's tried to convince his colleagues that the United
States is a secret enemy of Israel.
How far should academic freedom go?
Joining us now in a "Hannity & Colmes" exclusive is Professor Francisco
Professor, thank you for being with us.
FRANCISCO GIL-WHITE, PROFESSOR, UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA: Thank you
COLMES: Are you concerned, in the wake of what happened with Ward
Churchill, about your own academic freedom?
GIL-WHITE: Well, I think there's been a misunderstanding. I'm being
fired from the University of Pennsylvania for defending Israel and for
documenting that the accusations against the Serbs were fabrications.
My course, Psychology of Ethnicity, has been canceled because I document
how academic psychologists attack blacks, using phony I.Q. tests. Nobody
has objected to anything I have ever said about 9/11. It's got nothing
to do with that.
COLMES: The school is not saying that. The school is claiming that that
is not why you're being fired, that it's not because of the content of
your class and that it has nothing to do with your free speech, that you
had given -- been given a one-year extension. They're now not continuing
that. But they are denying what you said is true.
GIL-WHITE: Well, I was not expecting the university to confess. But
shortly after I went public with the threats that I had been receiving
from senior faculty member Paul Rozin, telling me to stop publishing
material defending Israel and defending the Serbs, or I would lose my
job... shortly after I published those threats and explained what they
had been doing to me, I received anonymously in my mailbox the secret
documents that were used in the reappointment process.
And I have here with me
the letter that Ian Lustick, who is a professor
in the political science department, not the psychology department...
GIL-WHITE: ... wrote -- wrote to the psychology department chairman,
explaining that my political views on Israel and on Serbia...[3a]
COLMES: Well, you accused him of being an agent, didn't you? You accused
the professor you just mentioned of being an agent of U.S. intelligence
working to undermine Israel, according to the stories that have come out
GIL-WHITE: That's right. That's inaccurate. I never accused Ian Lustick
of being an agent of U.S. intelligence. What I did was report what Ian
Lustick explains himself on [his] CV.
Ian Lustick, right after he got his Ph.D., got a job at the State
Department at the Bureau of Intelligence and Research, where they make
sure that U.S. intelligence activities further U.S. foreign policy.
And after that, [as] Ian Lustick also explains in his CV, he has been a
consultant for the National Security Council, [the] National Security
Agency, the CIA, and so forth.
HANNITY: Mr. Gil-White, Sean Hannity here. Did you or did you not call
the September 11 terrorist attacks an inside job, sir?
GIL-WHITE: Yes. But that has nothing to do with why I'm being fired.
HANNITY: Let me -- Hang on a second. Did you or did you not write
articles alleging that NATO framed Slobodan Milosevic?
GIL-WHITE: Yes, I did. I have an article...
HANNITY: Hang on. I'm not here to dispute this. I want to -- I want to
get your track record on the record. Did you or did you not try to
convince your colleagues that the United States is the secret enemy of
HANNITY: OK. They're saying that this has nothing to do with those
opinions, but I want to address those opinions. You really say that
there's an inside job that -- about 9/11? Explain your little theory
GIL-WHITE: Look, I'm not a 9/11 scholar. What you should do is get Jared
Israel here. He's the chief editor of "Emperor's Clothes,"
www.tenc.net. He's probably the world's authority...
HANNITY: You said 9/11 was an inside job. You just admitted to me. What
do you mean when you say it's an inside job?
GIL-WHITE: Well, the reporter for the "Philadelphia Inquirer," Patrick
Kerkstra, asked me whether I agreed with the views expressed on
Emperor's Clothes concerning 9/11. I haven't done any real research on
9/11. Jared Israel has. I agree with his conclusions, and that is,
indeed, the core of his argument.
HANNITY: Look, you have every right to do it. But you know something?
You ought to know; you're a professor. There's no constitutional right
for you to work at a particular campus. They don't have to hire you.
What the university is saying is that there are questions that have
emerged about your researching, about your teaching techniques, about
your ability to get along with your colleagues.
There are parents that are upset that these fringe opinions of yours,
they don't want their kids indoctrinated into your point of view.
The statement about the
parents complaining is a complete fabrication, and the only
colleagues I was having trouble with were those trying to censor my
academic freedom and my free speech.
-- FGW ]
Certainly you ought to understand that they have every right to say you
don't meet the standards we want at this university. Why wouldn't you
just accept that?
GIL-WHITE: Well, again, I think you're laboring under a misunderstanding.
Nobody has ever objected to anything I have ever said about 9/11, and I
don't talk about 9/11 in my courses.
HANNITY: I understand that. But what they say -- I just got done telling
you that their complaint is about your researching, your teaching, your
ability to get along with your colleagues.
For example, when you asked -- it was reported, the department
curriculum, a list of questions and concerns about a course, you refused
to address them, they say. Is that true?
GIL-WHITE: No, that's false.
I wrote a lengthy...[6a]
HANNITY: They're lying in the paper?
GIL-WHITE: Yes. The "Philadelphia Inquirer" article is replete with
inaccuracies. There's almost nothing true in it.
When I received a list of complaints about my course, Psychology of
Ethnicity, it was clear that the complaints was -- were two. The main
complaints were two.
One, that I had been teaching my students about how academic
psychologists throughout the 20th Century who were propagandists for the
American eugenics movement, had been making up their d[ata]...
COLMES: We're just out of time, professor. I appreciate you coming on
the program, sir. Thank you very, very much.
tonight, why did a California professor tell one of his
students to get psychological treatment for his pro-American views?
And then, what would you do if your child was asked to write an anti-
war letter to President Bush? An outraged parent speaks out about that.
And television legend Art Linkletter has plenty to say about Bush's
plans for Social Security.
Footnotes and Further
The most complete
documentation on this is here:
“HOW DID THE ‘PALESTINIAN MOVEMENT’
EMERGE? The British sponsored it. Then the German Nazis, and the
US.”; Historical and Investigative Research; 13 June 2006; by
Some of this
material was originally published here:
Misinformation, And The Whitewashing Of The Palestinian
Leadership”; Israel National News; May 26, '03 / 24 Iyar 5763;
by Francisco J. Gil-White
following letter was sent in reply to the UPENN psychology department's
attempt to gut my course Psychology of Ethnicity merely because I was
teaching my students the material in "Resurrecting Racism" (see below).
Resurrecting Racism: The modern
attack on black people using phony science; Historical and Investigative
Research; Francisco Gil-White (2004)
begins this letter by reminding the psychology chairman that the point
was to comment on my research and teaching so that the psychology
department could decide whether or not to reappoint me to a second
contract. But instead of doing that he concedes that he knows nothing
about my teaching, and very little about my research (though he does
praise the little he knows). Then he proceeds to complain about the fact
that my journalistic work exposes various terrorists groups, namely the
PLO (Palestine Liberation Organization), the Sri Lankan Tamil Tigers (LTTE),
and the KLA (Kosovo Liberation Army).
Lustick's letter was supposed to be
secret of course, but someone -- I don't know who -- placed a copy of
the complete set of confidential documents utilized in my reappointment process in my
mailbox. You may read Ian Lustick's letter, and also an analysis of it, here:
stated as his complaint -- note -- was not that I
had made any errors in my documentation, however, but that
"distresses" him. According to him, I had been "hectoring" people at the Asch Center with my documentation, but Prof. Douglas Massey, who was
present when I gave my talk on what really happened in Kosovo at the
Asch Center, remembers it very differently, and you may read what Massey
Ian Lustick concludes his letter by
making clear that my continued employment should be contingent on the
psychology senior faculty being able to silence me.
From Ian Lustick's Curriculum Vitae:
"Analyst, Bureau of Intelligence and
Research, Department of State: 1979-1980"
"Consultant for the Department of
State; consultant/invited lecturer for the National Security
Council, National Security Agency, Central Intelligence Agency..."
"How Politicians, the Media, and Scholars Lied
about Milosevic's 1989 Kosovo Speech: A review of the evidence";
Emperor's Clothes; 9 February 2002; by Francisco Gil-White.
“Is the US an Ally of
Israel: A chronological look at the evidence”; Historical and
Investigative Research; by Francisco Gil-White.
To read Francisco
Gil-White's reply to the psychology department,
on the question of his course Psychology of
Ethnicity, visit here:
"Philadelphia Inquirer slanders embattled Prof.
Gil-White... Emperor's Clothes Replies"; Emperor's Clothes; 15 February
2005; by Jared Israel, Editor, Emperor's Clothes.
NOTE: Due to health reasons and other
complications, Jared Israel was not able to finish the second part of
the above series, which was to be an analysis of the letter that Ian
Lustick wrote to the psychology department chairman explaining that I
should be fired if I could not be kept silent. Lustick's letter mostly
speaks for itself, and I have provided a brief analysis of it here:
Sean Hannity (left) and Francisco
Gil-White on FOX-NEWS
far should academic freedom
being fired from the University of Pennsylvania for defending Israel...”
— Francisco Gil-White
no constitutional right for you to work at a particular campus...”
— Sean Hannity
The words in red mark the point
at which Francisco Gil-White opens his mouth to say good-bye. The
camera cuts away.